Item 0830
OTHER: Aircraft - Gyrocopter - Basic (w/ mid prop)
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Date: 5-Nov-00 17:57
Author: Dave Jackson (
Having been told that slow RRPM is not a cause of gyrocopter accidents, but still wishing to show my gyrocoptic stupidity, I raise the following - for somebody to put down. [RIP]
The attached drawing would appear to offer 3 very basic safety features, which should be easy to construct. Would somebody like to correct my misassumptions?
Date: 5-Nov-00 19:40
Author: Larry Goodhind (
I have lost the email for the guy who is considering building this sort of varient (a tail dragger) of Chuck Beaty's current machine - Chuck had described this sort configuration in a Rotorcraft article in the mid-80's.
My only comment to your draft would be to consider reversing the rudder to the hanging position - just as effective, less chance of tail strike and the bottom of the rudder can act as a tail wheel pylon. I have been seriously tempted to do this one myself but stick with the tricycle landing gear ala Carl Schneider ... already drowning so why fight it. :)
Cool idea.
Date: 5-Nov-00 20:09
Author: Dave Jackson (
Interesting picture of a simple design.
How about a compromise? Put 50% of the vertical fin above the centerline and 50% below. The lower half could support your tail wheel. The upper half could be a very light construction so that in the event of a blade strike, it will be cut off, with no damage to the rotor blade.
PS. The eppennage in the original posting's drawing has been revised, as per Larry's suggestion and the above.
Date: 5-Nov-00 22:11
Author: Larry Goodhind (
... but at 420 ft/second just about anything feels hard. Don't forget Newton #3 - 'When things run into each other they bounce.' Actually I checked in Brooks and most everything in the tractors shows vertical stabalizer surface on the top with a sweeping curve that's big enough for the "at rest" blades to clear. With proper weight/balance/technique you wouldn't have blades anywhere near it anyway.
It's a monkey-boy engineering bastardization of Chuck's design but for the way my vertical is constructed and attached (1/32" 2024-T3 back plate with 1/16" lower rib and gusset plates with 032 2024-T3 skin - rivet to shape, fill the void with polyfoam and them dump out as much of the wet polyfoam as will flow back out with a couple of hard whaps) it's easier for me if I just bolt it on the bottom.
If you want to try that out first be sure and let me know if it works ... right now I'm doing struts... ;)
Just kidding - so far I've done a couple of posterboard tests with the forming and this one has looked pretty cool. Time will tell if it's dumb.
Date: 6-Nov-00 01:04
Author: Dave Jackson (
During normal flight, the upper vertical fin will not be subjected to concentrated or heavy loading. It can therefor be shaped from lightweight Styrofoam (in a thin - say 0009 profile) and covered with a single layer of very lightweight fiberglass cloth. By attaching this fin firmly to the boom, should there be a blade strike, it will not 'knock-off' the whole fin but it will quite easily "snap off' the upper portion. This means that the lower portion will remain with the craft and still be functional. The lightweight upper portion will float up, back and away from the craft.
Also, the cost of a replacement foam & glass panel is cheaper than a pine box. :-)
Date: 6-Nov-00 10:50
Author: Doug Riley (
If you just put the rudder low enough so that the blades miss it in their normal drooped-flapped-stickback position, you've eliminated tail strikes as a CAUSE of accidents. With that much clearance, the only way a blade can hit the rudder is if the rotor is in substantial negative G with the rotor somehow all the way back, or is suffering retreating-blade stall from a PPO or similar event. True negative G should make the rotor flip forward, not back (the leading edge of the disc moves away from the relative wind, which in such a case is from above). In either case, the tail strike is an after-the-fact result of a fundamental problem that is going to get ya anyway. A breakaway tail won't help in these circumstances; the rotor is already in too much trouble.
One of us Yankees by the name of Dana Junkins [Rotorcraft Oct/2000 page 22]is working on a gyro whose prop is mounted (via a redrive) at the center of a tubular tail boom. He was pretty well along when I last saw him in July. The engine is in front of the prop, however.
Taildragger gear makes some sense for a (non-jump-takeoff) gyro. It gives you the right tail-back angle to get the rotor going. It is squirrelly on the ground, though; something we don't necessarily need any more of in our tippy rotorcraft. You can reduce the squirreliness somewhat by putting the mains not too far ahead of the CG and using a fairly wide stance, as Cierva did.. Even then, you still have to steer constantly. Worse, however, is the possibility of nosing over; pretty harmless at low speed in a pusher fixed-wing (been there...), but a disaster in a rotorcraft.
No free lunch, as usual!
Date: 6-Nov-00 16:21
Author: Dave Jackson (
Doug; thanks for your comments on the vertical fin. The number of layers of fiberglass has now been increase. :-)
Also, the drawing on the original posting has been revised to include your suggested tricycle gear.
Locating the propeller/transmission close to the rotor mast should make it easier to install jump-takeoff capability and/or partial powered rotor during flight.
Date: 6-Nov-00 15:50
Author: Ken Rehler (
Do you believe there is an advantage to having what you lable a "small pusher moment arm"?
As long as the thrust line is on the CG, then I don't understand why there would be any advantage to the prop being in front of, behind, close to, or far away from the CG. Do you feel the air would be "cleaner" right behind the cabin?
You will probably need a front wheel, as it could easily tilt forward when you start the take off run and/or upon landing.
I assume you also have a horizontal stabilizer (not shown). If not, you should add one, even with the CG/thrust in line.
Ken Rehler - New Braunfels, Texas -
My Gyro
Date: 6-Nov-00 17:05
Author: Dave Jackson (
Ken; My thinking, subject to correction, is that a tractor configuration offers greater stability then a pusher configuration. This is because the force (propeller) is ahead of the drag (cockpit), mass and empennage. If this is true, then moving the propeller forward should improve stability.
The horizontal stabilizer has been added to drawing on original posting. Thanks
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Notes:
Possible source of tapered aluminum tubing for tail boom:
http://www.baartol.com/guardian.htm ~ http://www.walli.uwasa.fi/~jhaapala/usa_alum.html , see LexingtonThe upper vertical stabilizer might be covered by light bi-directional cloth and/or unidirectional cloth with the direction aligned with an overly back tipped rotor blade. This will allow the blade to shear a portion of the tail off without damaging the blade or removing all the tail.
Consider using same body as SynchroLite.
SynchroLite ~ Fuselage - Body![]()
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